Curse

I Might Avenge U · Feb 29, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Originally Posted by T3hDawg..

You can also use a Me/Mo with Fast Casting to speed things up with casting those resurrection spells.

I'd guess it'd be ideal to bring a RezMer..

[skill]Mantra of Recovery[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill]

Fast Casting: 16 [12 + 3 + 1]
Healing Prayers: 12

Quick Math:

(8 + 5 + 4) * (566) = 9622 seconds or 160 minutes or 2 hours and 42 minutes

- 4 ~ Theoretical Time it takes to die at 1 hp
- 5 ~ Casting Time of Resurrection
- 8 ~ Recharge Time of Resurrection
- 566 ~ Averaged number of Death Require to go from 5 to 20
- 228 ~ Average Xp gained per death
- 129,000 ~ Experience need from level 5 to 20

After Fast Casting and Mantra of Recovery

(2.4 + 5.36 + 4) * (566) = 6656.16 seconds or 111 Minutes or 1 Hour and 51 Minutes

- 2.4 ~ Casting Time after 16 Fast Casting
- 5.36 ~ Recharge Time after Mantra of Recovery

Net Loss of 49 Minutes..

That is such basic math, but gives a rough sketch of it..

Some other mathematician can do all the math if they want..

Asha Rai · Feb 29, 2008, 09:13 AM // 09:13

Does anyone know if pets can be leveled in pvp? Wondering if this could be used as an alternative form of death leveling.

Kapral · Feb 29, 2008, 09:25 AM // 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Might Avenge U

I'd guess it'd be ideal to bring a RezMer..

[skill]Mantra of Recovery[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill][skill]Optional Healing Skill[/skill]

Fast Casting: 16 [12 + 3 + 1]
Healing Prayers: 12

Quick Math:

(8 + 5 + 4) * (566) = 9622 seconds or 160 minutes or 2 hours and 42 minutes

- 4 ~ Theoretical Time it takes to die at 1 hp
- 5 ~ Casting Time of Resurrection
- 8 ~ Recharge Time of Resurrection
- 566 ~ Averaged number of Death Require to go from 5 to 20
- 228 ~ Average Xp gained per death
- 129,000 ~ Experience need from level 5 to 20

After Fast Casting and Mantra of Recovery

(2.4 + 5.36 + 4) * (566) = 6656.16 seconds or 111 Minutes or 1 Hour and 51 Minutes

- 2.4 ~ Casting Time after 16 Fast Casting
- 5.36 ~ Recharge Time after Mantra of Recovery

Net Loss of 49 Minutes..

That is such basic math, but gives a rough sketch of it..

Some other mathematician can do all the math if they want..

Do not bring Resurrect. The pet will not become dire since you will automatically die when you are rezzed and it will not actually do the damage.

lennymon · Feb 29, 2008, 08:09 PM // 20:09

Resmer is ok, but resurrect is just not useful. Healers boon with both renew life and restore life is very fast and efficient. Fast rez (2s and 2s with healers boon), no waiting between the two of them as the ai rotates as needed. The monk won't need a self heal as HB renewing along with the occasional heal from renew will keep the monk topped up. It doesn't matter if the pet deals damage to the monk or to the saccer it'll still get credit for the damage and move to dire so touch res isn't an issue.

T1Cybernetic · Mar 03, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Exellent way to level your pets

i dont know why this wasnt common knowledge a long time ago and i must admit feel silly not knowing till now

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Grace Paragon · Mar 04, 2008, 01:43 AM // 01:43

alternate to death leveling (if you have nightfall and have a tamed pet needing leveling) -- not sure if it still works cuz i did this when it first came out... but using the worms. (your pet dies but still levels while killing inside the worm.) and no where as fast as death leveling - never tested the outcome.. ie hearty,dire,elder.

not a great solution, but i noticed no one offered for the already tamed pets. other wise good old fashion playing high level creatures with full team and pet. :P

ReZDoGG · Mar 04, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57

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Originally Posted by Grace Paragon

alternate to death leveling (if you have nightfall and have a tamed pet needing leveling) -- not sure if it still works cuz i did this when it first came out... but using the worms. (your pet dies but still levels while killing inside the worm.) and no where as fast as death leveling - never tested the outcome.. ie hearty,dire,elder.

not a great solution, but i noticed no one offered for the already tamed pets. other wise good old fashion playing high level creatures with full team and pet. :P

Your pet is supposed to reach lvl 15 without dying to get Dire evolution. I think using wurms was mentioned on Wiki to level up your pet and get Hearty at the same time.... it is a great way to level up an already tamed pet for sure.

ReZDoGG · Mar 04, 2008, 11:00 AM // 11:00

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Originally Posted by JAK3US

How many times does it have to kill you for dire; every time?

If so, then thank you for the clarification.

I'm sure I let it kill me 4 times, because I didn't start the insta-rez cycle until the polar bear killed me four times and I had 60 dp.

Will test this later today and post results.

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Thank you kapral, it worked this time.

Conclusion:

Wear 3 superiour runes on you, so when u have 60 DP you will be left with one health. Bring Restore Life and a 25% Resurrect skill on your heroes with enough points into healing prayers to make Restore Life resurrect you for 50%+ health. This way, you will be resurrected with 1 life instead of instantly dying. Once the pet has reached level 15 and the requirements for dire is met, let your monks use the 25% Resurrect skill on you for the insta-kill, speeding up the process.

Of course this is the "optimal" version without it being overkill; AFKing the whole process will probably only add on a small amount of time.

Thank you RezDogg and Kapral!

Having 1hp won't make no difference from having 7-10HP. You will still die in one hit from animal.... So it won't speed anything up. Only thing that will help speed things up is a Fast Casting Me/Mo with 2 resurrecting spells.

JAK3US · Mar 11, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

meh, just slapped on 3 sup runes and found out that by having a 53% life rez skill i could rez without dieing. Thought it was easier than having to go and buy specific runes.

Sorry.

birdfoot · Mar 11, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Well, some additional info for you guys if anyone is interested in death-leveling.

It takes approximately 141 kills (the pet killing you and assuming you are at level 20) to level a pet starting from level 5 to level 15. You should bring a hero using Resurrect/Rebirth because when he/she resurrects you, you start with only 25% health. Superior runes do help to make it faster although it's highly unnecessary.

What I usually do when death-leveling is to remove all my armor (including +health items) and only keep my headgear on if it has a superior rune in it. When you get killed 4 times, you suffer 60% DP and the animal that you're taming will kill you faster in the subsequent attempts. Resurrect/Rebirth makes it faster since you will have only 25% out of the total health with 60% DP.

Although I've not tried this, but I reckon using a Me/P hero that uses Signet of Return + Mantra of Inscriptions will give the fastest results.

Lastly, I'm not sure if it's as fast as 35 mins since I always only level them to 15 before taming them and that usually takes more than 40 mins if I remember correctly.

sidstyler89 · Mar 19, 2008, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Asha Rai

Any tips on getting the rainbow phoenix to lvl 20 and dire quickly?

Just like with one of my pets (before I discovered this neat guide), I did a long and tedious process but it was very easy.

Outside Boreal Station at the Snow Wurms, I used those to get my pet up to Dire. Any Beast Mastery degen skill helps with this, since they wurms love to go underground. Just gather the wurm's attention with a weapon that won't do any real damage to it (Since I used my Warrior, I used a Longbow) and just let your pet do the work with the assistance of the Pet Skills. Sure enough, or eventually you should get a Dire. I'm sure there are better ways, but I found that to be the safest (but most tedious) way to do it.

ReZDoGG · Mar 19, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdfoot

Well, some additional info for you guys if anyone is interested in death-leveling.

It takes approximately 141 kills (the pet killing you and assuming you are at level 20) to level a pet starting from level 5 to level 15. You should bring a hero using Resurrect/Rebirth because when he/she resurrects you, you start with only 25% health. Superior runes do help to make it faster although it's highly unnecessary.

What I usually do when death-leveling is to remove all my armor (including +health items) and only keep my headgear on if it has a superior rune in it. When you get killed 4 times, you suffer 60% DP and the animal that you're taming will kill you faster in the subsequent attempts. Resurrect/Rebirth makes it faster since you will have only 25% out of the total health with 60% DP.

Although I've not tried this, but I reckon using a Me/P hero that uses Signet of Return + Mantra of Inscriptions will give the fastest results.

Lastly, I'm not sure if it's as fast as 35 mins since I always only level them to 15 before taming them and that usually takes more than 40 mins if I remember correctly.

If it takes more than 40 minutes just to get to level 15, then you are not doing it as fast as you can. I have done this more than a few times, and it only takes around a half an hour to get your pet to lvl 20. Taking off all your armors is really unnecessary when you have below 10hp when you hit 60dp... No matter what armor you got on, the animal will still kill you in one hit. Runes definately helps on lowering your health and speeding up the process. Rebirth is a slow casting res, and it really ain't needed. Resurrect is the only resurrection spell you really need to get the job done...

ReZDoGG · Mar 19, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAK3US

meh, just slapped on 3 sup runes and found out that by having a 53% life rez skill i could rez without dieing. Thought it was easier than having to go and buy specific runes.

Sorry.

Any runes to get your health down low enough is fine, I am sure there are plenty of combinations to do so... was just the way I did it made your health get down to 7hp at 60dp.

lennymon · Mar 19, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

If you're training a level 3-10 pet on over level 20 foes there's a VERY good chance of your pet *not* evolving at all no matter how you do it. I don't have some formula that says this, this is hundreds of pets worth of experience. The relative level makes a difference and whether it's a primary or just a secondary effect doesn't really matter. Train on something near the pet's level if you actually want dire and don't want to have to do it over a few times.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidstyler89

Just like with one of my pets (before I discovered this neat guide), I did a long and tedious process but it was very easy.

Outside Boreal Station at the Snow Wurms, I used those to get my pet up to Dire. Any Beast Mastery degen skill helps with this, since they wurms love to go underground. Just gather the wurm's attention with a weapon that won't do any real damage to it (Since I used my Warrior, I used a Longbow) and just let your pet do the work with the assistance of the Pet Skills. Sure enough, or eventually you should get a Dire. I'm sure there are better ways, but I found that to be the safest (but most tedious) way to do it.

Shadow Own · Mar 19, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

maybe im stupid, but would a necro hero with high soul reaping and the monk elite rez skill work.. it is a maintanable enchantment but dont disable it
the necro hero will rez and cancel so u die immediatly. does this give the pet experience? and will it turn dire

necro is needed cuz it consumes a lot of energy.

just a theory
dont flame me if its a noob post ^^

Amy Awien · Mar 19, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by lennymon

If you're training a level 3-10 pet on over level 20 foes there's a VERY good chance of your pet *not* evolving at all no matter how you do it.

It's not even that usefull as

a) he's doing little damage against their AL and damage / xp-gain determines their evolution.
b) there's a 280 point cap on XP gained at 11 levels difference

lennymon · Mar 19, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Own

maybe im stupid, but would a necro hero with high soul reaping and the monk elite rez skill work.. it is a maintanable enchantment but dont disable it
the necro hero will rez and cancel so u die immediatly. does this give the pet experience? and will it turn dire

necro is needed cuz it consumes a lot of energy.

just a theory
dont flame me if its a noob post ^^

It would work, but... the ai wont cancel something if it'll make you die I bet so you'd need to manually use it. The other issue is the recharge on [skill]Unyielding Aura[/skill] is 15 seconds. making this the slowest option.

The absolute fastest rezzer would be 16 fast casting with [skill]Symbolic Posture[/skill] and [skill]Symbolic Celerity[/skill] using [skill]Death Pact Signet[/skill]. This creates a problem of course for our purposes

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So I'm thinkin... who else has a signet res? yeah Para... [skill]Signet of Return[/skill] recharges in 3.2 (at least I think that's what 20 seconds -84% means...) seconds with these skills and casts in... 5 seconds with 52% faster cast and 163% faster cast which 'may' be just over 2 seconds but I'm not sure how those cast.
Bottom line... probably can get away with less runage due to the low health you'll be getting ressed at. Bottom line #2: Gwen is a LOT cuter than Dunkoro.

ReZDoGG · Mar 20, 2008, 03:10 AM // 03:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Own

maybe im stupid, but would a necro hero with high soul reaping and the monk elite rez skill work.. it is a maintanable enchantment but dont disable it
the necro hero will rez and cancel so u die immediatly. does this give the pet experience? and will it turn dire

necro is needed cuz it consumes a lot of energy.

just a theory
dont flame me if its a noob post ^^

I don't think the pet will get experience if you just die on your own, unless he hits you atleast once before you die, than he should get experience... But you really don't need anything else than what is listed, I don't think it will get any faster than it already is... except maybe using a Mesmer with Fast Casting to resurrect you faster.

lennymon · Mar 20, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG

I don't think the pet will get experience if you just die on your own, unless he hits you atleast once before you die, than he should get experience... But you really don't need anything else than what is listed, I don't think it will get any faster than it already is... except maybe using a Mesmer with Fast Casting to resurrect you faster.

They do gain exp, I can bip kill myself and they level up as long as they are a red dot whether they are running chasing the resser or actually hitting someone. I've tested it on a pet that couldn't get to me (on a cliff). The only issue with that is they still need to deal 'significant' damage in order to evolve.

Voodoo Rage · Mar 28, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Worked well for me. I just stripped down naked and left my Sup mask on. That left me with about 40 hitpoints at 60 dp. I set my monk to avoid combat and only enabled the res spell. So I didn't have to do anything at all once it was set up. I just sat there watching Lost and watched my character get killed over and over again.